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on top of the extension to the bush tax cuts. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. of a scale that you're talking about. i will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people burks it's just not the case. look, i got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always true. >> health care, romney was on offense, touting what he passed in massachusetts as an example of a bipartisan compromise and a model for the whole country at the state level. >> we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model. >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. entirely on a partisan basis instead of bringing america together and having a discussion at this important topic, you pushed through something that you and nancy pelosi and harry reid thought something was the best answer and drove it thr
on top of the extension to the bush tax cuts. >> i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut. i don't have a tax cut. of a scale that you're talking about. i will not reduce the share paid by high income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people burks it's just not the case. look, i got five boys, i'm used to people saying something that's not always true. >> health care, romney was on offense, touting what...
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a tax cut that ads to the deficit. that is part one. there is no economist that can say mitt romney tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high overincome individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. >>trace: which candidate had the upper hand and how much was accurate? with me is the associate editor of the financial weekly owned by the parent of this company. michael, romney says if you lower the tax rates what happens is, businesses have more money. businesses have more money they can hire more people and, guess what, everyone starts paying taxes and that is how you close the deficit. true? >>guest: it is true that is what he is saying. it is true that is the way a model would have it play out. the question and what assumptions go in that assertion by lowering rate and obviously on
a tax cut that ads to the deficit. that is part one. there is no economist that can say mitt romney tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, it is not possible to come up with enough deductions and loopholes that only affect high overincome individuals to avoid either raising the deficit or burdening the middle class. it is math. >>trace: which candidate had the upper hand and...
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we are going to talk to him about a new proposed international tax. >> allen west talking about what went wrong wiin libya. evan bayh former senator from the great state of indiana is going to talk about a tax on all of it at a time when we needed it the least. that's starting in 12 minutes on the fox news channel. stay with us. >> medicare can stop housing. this is part of the president's healthcare law that is meant to improve quality of care. the average fine is 125,000 dollars. >> bonnie and clyde still robbing people. two of their guns selling for half a million dollars at auction. the colt 45 was found in his waist band and bonnie's 38 special was found apparently taped to her thigh. that's when the infamous outlaws were killed back in 1934. >> the battle of the bulge. you know the muffin top, some diets can be dangerous for your health. here to breakdown the dos and don'ts fitness expert nikki fitness. >> good to see you. >> let's start first with the cleanse. so many people i hear a lot of people in the studio here in new york city doing these cleansing diets. are they health
we are going to talk to him about a new proposed international tax. >> allen west talking about what went wrong wiin libya. evan bayh former senator from the great state of indiana is going to talk about a tax on all of it at a time when we needed it the least. that's starting in 12 minutes on the fox news channel. stay with us. >> medicare can stop housing. this is part of the president's healthcare law that is meant to improve quality of care. the average fine is 125,000 dollars....
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when governor romney in 2012 makes a campaign promise about taxes, the obama campaign calls governor romney a liar. why is one guy's campaign promises now broken? not a lie, the other guy's campaign promises a lie. how can that be? here's david axelrod on cbs's "face the nation." are you saying that governor romney died or was dishonest? >> dishonest, absolutely. when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts, that was dishonest. >> when senator obama said in 2008, i'm going to cut the deficit in half, close gitmo, people said that was unrealistic, but didn't say he wasn't telling the truth. there's a difference, isn't there? >> no. closing gitmo involved an act of congress, and he wasn't able to get congress to agree with him on that question. this is basic math. >> greta: joining us our political panel, abc news senior washington editor rick klein, casey huntington, and byron york. rick, first you. i thought it was executive order to close gitmo, just needed congress to place the people. am i right? >> they realized it was going to be harder than they wanted. the distinctio
when governor romney in 2012 makes a campaign promise about taxes, the obama campaign calls governor romney a liar. why is one guy's campaign promises now broken? not a lie, the other guy's campaign promises a lie. how can that be? here's david axelrod on cbs's "face the nation." are you saying that governor romney died or was dishonest? >> dishonest, absolutely. when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts, that was dishonest. >> when senator obama said in 2008,...
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i will not raise tax on middle income families. i'll lower taxes on middle income families. martha: by our count president obama mentioned the middle class 19 times, clearly a focus of every presidential election. let's talk about this. lanny davis joins me now. and jonah goldberg is the editor at large for the national review. welcome, jonah. lanny, you listened to all that. what do you think? >> i'm not very happy with the president's performance. i think he did poorly. i agree with him on substance. i think he got the better of the exchange regarding the facts and the policy. but for the obama campaign to put the spokesman on and i'm sure she is doing her best and not to admit he had a bad night and to say we ought to do fact check when the fact checkers have rated obama's ads with four pinocchios. the way to do this is to say look at governor romney. smile, be gracious. don't look down and take notes while a man is talking to you. it's as simple as admitting he had a bad night. but on policy and substance i'm still voting for him. i know she doesn't believe she was sayin
i will not raise tax on middle income families. i'll lower taxes on middle income families. martha: by our count president obama mentioned the middle class 19 times, clearly a focus of every presidential election. let's talk about this. lanny davis joins me now. and jonah goldberg is the editor at large for the national review. welcome, jonah. lanny, you listened to all that. what do you think? >> i'm not very happy with the president's performance. i think he did poorly. i agree with him...
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boosting american manufacturing by ending the tax break that sends jobs overseas and giving tax incentives to companies that start manufacturing businesses here. these are specific tangible proposals and i believe they will pass because i believe the american people are supportive of that. >> but they haven't passed. >> the verdict will be rendered november 6. megyn: joining me now mark hannah, former aid to john kerry and barack obama. kevin, your chots on that exchange? >> that was a revealing look inside the best talking points that president obama has by his top spokesperson on the campaign frame beside himself. if you can't get more prekay tough than education, green energy, research and development, and that's the solutions? those are the pin points for solutions you are offering for an election that's going to be decided on an economy and jobs and the economic growth and development of this nation? megyn, that's pathetic. and i think everyone that watched david axlerod squirm, and candy is not exactly a hostile host, saw the real lack of preparedness. this campaign is demonstrating
boosting american manufacturing by ending the tax break that sends jobs overseas and giving tax incentives to companies that start manufacturing businesses here. these are specific tangible proposals and i believe they will pass because i believe the american people are supportive of that. >> but they haven't passed. >> the verdict will be rendered november 6. megyn: joining me now mark hannah, former aid to john kerry and barack obama. kevin, your chots on that exchange? >>...
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is now looking for a global tax. now, we're calling global tax maggedden. where we would pony up a huge portion of the tax receipts into the u.n. and they would distribute them throughout the world to the needy. what do you think of this? >> i think it's incredible. first of all, we are the needy. maybe they should do it where china should write off their trillion dollars that they wrote us and more. by the way, if you look what's going on, they are serious about this where we're supposed to give more money to other countries. we don't have money for ourselves. so it's just another ploy. we'll educational background up being -- end up being, because we are run by people globe know what they're doing issues we'll be the only nation that gives. >> gretchen: i got bad news for you, you're going to be taxed 1% tax on billionaires around the world. that's part of this whole deal. >> i can imagine the people that are going to distribute the money. i've seen the people. i have buildings over there. i see them all the time. you should see the people that are going
is now looking for a global tax. now, we're calling global tax maggedden. where we would pony up a huge portion of the tax receipts into the u.n. and they would distribute them throughout the world to the needy. what do you think of this? >> i think it's incredible. first of all, we are the needy. maybe they should do it where china should write off their trillion dollars that they wrote us and more. by the way, if you look what's going on, they are serious about this where we're supposed...
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if we have a second term and the president raises taxes, keeps regulation in place and keeps running up the massive debt. that's where the word recession comes in. current policies have failed to continue them into next year would possibly mean a recession in the year 2013. very significant with five weeks to go to the election. bill: the gdp is 1.3 that's like belgium. why are stocks up, stuart? >> reporter: that's a very good question. normally when the market heads south you -- normally when the economy heads south the market heads south. but ben bernanke is propping it up. martha: we have a jam packed show for you today. both candidates are hunkered down getting ready for wednesday night's debate in denver. new numbers show how many voters could still be persuaded. bill: disturbing details in fallout from operation fast & furious. new records of dozens of weapons linked to murders and weapo and cartel hitmen. now there are questions about the fate of attorney general eric holder in all of this. >> they don't see the victims. 60,000 people have been killed. and they have been indi
if we have a second term and the president raises taxes, keeps regulation in place and keeps running up the massive debt. that's where the word recession comes in. current policies have failed to continue them into next year would possibly mean a recession in the year 2013. very significant with five weeks to go to the election. bill: the gdp is 1.3 that's like belgium. why are stocks up, stuart? >> reporter: that's a very good question. normally when the market heads south you --...
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and rick santorum said in the fictitious land of obama ville romney fight santorum using moves like tax evasion and olympics savior santorum counters with sweater vest and a special move to claim coal herman cain joins the me like he unleashes his nine nine nine attack on romney romney counters with another round of tax evasion toward the end of the epic battle santorum even manages to give romney a dose of church and state. videos are no doubt are doing their due out in the series all leading up to the fine now a battle between royale between president obama and romney one can only wonder about the moves of the future character paul ryan had an austerity attack. on the rand roundhouse kick. you know the mainstream news media as a joke when even one of the most historic trusted influential political news programs. because in a corporate corruption what happened on meet the press this weekend i want can you do to stop the steady stream of misinformation that's korea out of your t.v. so you and i still eat it. you know. you think you understand it and then. you hear or see some other part
and rick santorum said in the fictitious land of obama ville romney fight santorum using moves like tax evasion and olympics savior santorum counters with sweater vest and a special move to claim coal herman cain joins the me like he unleashes his nine nine nine attack on romney romney counters with another round of tax evasion toward the end of the epic battle santorum even manages to give romney a dose of church and state. videos are no doubt are doing their due out in the series all leading...
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we are without a sales tax and income tax. people understand here that financial decisions have consequences. i can recall in 2000 when john mccain talked about the debt and the deficit the bush campaign at the time said what is he talking about? john mccain beat george bush here by 20 minutes in that prime rare re. bush retooled his message and barely won new hampshire by talking about the debt and the deficit. gregg: kevin in 2010 the last election there, if i understand it, if i recall correctly i think republicans won almost every office, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen that way this year, the pendulum could begin to swing in the other direction? >> that's correct. we had the largest republican sweep for a legislature of any state in the country in 2010. four years earlier in 2006 the democrats took control of the legislature at all levels of power for the first time since the civil war. we are used to this pendulum swinging back and forth. 2000 goes to george w. bush narrowly. 2004 john kerry wins the state nar
we are without a sales tax and income tax. people understand here that financial decisions have consequences. i can recall in 2000 when john mccain talked about the debt and the deficit the bush campaign at the time said what is he talking about? john mccain beat george bush here by 20 minutes in that prime rare re. bush retooled his message and barely won new hampshire by talking about the debt and the deficit. gregg: kevin in 2010 the last election there, if i understand it, if i recall...
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one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying is can i get somebody to tell me the truth? you can cross words all you want to, but there are some things called undeniable truth. so no matter how you want to dance around it, some things are very clear. >> there's also such a thing as throwi throwing things against the wall and that is what the obama campaign has been effective at doing and the romney campaign hasn't been. >> the romney campaign, they have been -- i can show you the proof. go to our website. again, you have campaigns -- >> check up on after the fact. >> my point, you said earlier -- i said absolutely. if you have that many eyebal
one thing or another is that a tax increase or not? it is through the tax system. so, did you lie? he's going to say no, i did not lie. >> you say something, you call him out on it. here's the deal. romney's not going to try to bring it up in the debate. nor will president obama because the moment you do, you have opened the door for your opponent to actually you out. so, responsibility's going to rest on the debate moderator, who is not going to do it, but again, what people are saying...
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to avert the fiscal cliff, in which everything from payroll taxes to full tax rates will go up. >>> and now our fourth story outfront. under attack by hackers. this was pretty incredible because the white house today confirmed that its military office was the target of a cyber attack with a suspected attacker, china. this is the office responsible for the united states of america's nuclear warplane. now, cnn has learned this was an unclassified network which was hit. officials say they dealt with the threat, but these attacks are relentless and the pentagon encounters thousands of them a day. how does washington keep up with this threat? "outfront" tonight, retired colonel cedric leighton. colonel, great to see you. the white house is saying we dealt with this, still, this is the white house. this is an office which is responsible for the united states of america's nuclear war plans how. how serious was this? >> it's great to see you, too, but this is too close for comfort when it comes to hacking attacks, especially when it comes to protecting the nuclear codes and anything else th
to avert the fiscal cliff, in which everything from payroll taxes to full tax rates will go up. >>> and now our fourth story outfront. under attack by hackers. this was pretty incredible because the white house today confirmed that its military office was the target of a cyber attack with a suspected attacker, china. this is the office responsible for the united states of america's nuclear warplane. now, cnn has learned this was an unclassified network which was hit. officials say they...
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and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story straight. he needs to stop debating himself. and at the end of the day, this election isn't about one liners. just ask our president. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to do to keep the country growing and restore security for hardworking americans. that's what people are going to be listening for. that's the debate that you deserve. >> that's the debate voters deserve. and on wednesday night, they won't be distracted by any zingers cooked up by romney's team of joke writers. joining me now is michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "newsweek" and the daily beast. and dana milbank, columnist for "the washington post." thanks to you both for coming on tonight. dana, are zingers the answer for mitt romney? >> well, he has to beware the very perilous boomerang zinger. delivering
and he's just as hapless on taxes. >> raise taxes with obama care but he's got another taxes in mind. >> governor romney doesn't need zingers. he needs to get his story straight. he needs to stop debating himself. and at the end of the day, this election isn't about one liners. just ask our president. >> i know folks in the media are speculating already on who's going to have the best zingers. what i'm most concerned about is having a serious discussion about what we need to...
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presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate camp at a resort outside of las vegas. they too are trying to lower expectations and believe accounts that the romney campaign is convinced debates are about moments. >> the idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive. >> reporter: and romney will come armed with several one-liners. >> clearly they've been practicing these zingers and lines for months, so i'm sure they'll have a bunch of clever line, but that's ultimately not what the american people are looking for. >> reporter: the president is being coached to be crisper, to shorten his answers, and a former democratic candidate says mr. obama needs to avoid being irritable. >> but he's got to relax. he's got to show it, and he's got to show a little sense of humor. he's got to show why he's likable. >> rep
presidential nominee, who is preparing for his own debate, again avoided giving details of the romney tax plan, even when pressed. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> reporter: the president is in nevada tonight for what insiders call three days of debate camp at a resort outside of las vegas. they too are trying to lower expectations and believe accounts that the romney campaign is convinced...
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, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first presidential debate. >> both candidates cramming for the first debate. >> everyone trying to lower expectations. >> franticly spinning to lower expectations. >> >> president obama is an experienced debatetor. >> i'm just okay. >> almost everyone seems to be muting enthusiasm in trying to undersell thvernlths is mitt's first time. >> i don't buy that. >> chris christie is taking a different tack. >> we have a candidate who is going to do extraordinary well on wednesday night. come thursday morning when we get to thursday morning, the entire narrative of this race is going to change. >> this is
, like your home mortgage tax deduction, in the romney/ryan tax plan. not enough time. they can't even say if you will pay more or less with their tax plan. well, mitt, i'm sure president obama will give you as many of his minutes as you need to explain it all in wednesday night's debate. >> mitt romney needs a great october. >> we know romney needs a great october. >> to change the course of this campaign. >> the final push is on. >> just days away from the first...
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cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the only candidate in this race who has a record of showing he knows as an executive how to forge bipartisan compromise. as the governor of massachusetts, over 85% of his legislature democrats, he made things happen. and he will make things happen as president of the united states. and will forge the right type of compromise to get this done. and that's the way it's going to work. >> do you think that this governor romney should be in a situation where he's actually prepared to deal with revenue, to raise revenue, go against his party if it's part of a package
cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the...
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to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can, given the size of it and given his promise of not letting it become a tax cut for the rich. that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor
to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can,...
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i know but -- >> he's the governor, health care and obesity are important issues, overweight people tax the system much like smokers, is that an issue? >> the fact that he came out and became vulnerable is really what it's about and would have earned him those votes. look at obama telling america, i'm going to quit smoking for you, i'm going to work for it. michelle saying, watch him, let me know how he's doing. so i think the point is, we all have foibles. but when you talk about, you asked earlier about a politician potentially using drugs and alcohol. those kinds of chemicals affect their judgment and their decision-making ability when they have to make public policy, don. >> good point. >> that's a little different than someone reading the news and being judged for what she looks like, instead of how she thinks and what she does. >> go ahead, emme. >> absolutely, i agree with you, doctor. i think we have to take a look at this. the people who are larger in this country, it is the last laugh. it is the joke that's acceptable. it is truly -- there are children that are committing suic
i know but -- >> he's the governor, health care and obesity are important issues, overweight people tax the system much like smokers, is that an issue? >> the fact that he came out and became vulnerable is really what it's about and would have earned him those votes. look at obama telling america, i'm going to quit smoking for you, i'm going to work for it. michelle saying, watch him, let me know how he's doing. so i think the point is, we all have foibles. but when you talk about,...
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tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to get a revenue neutral tax plan. it's a plan so bogus not even a fox news host can understand it. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through the math. >> paul ryan, paul ryan, if you want to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, we're going to have to explain your plans to the american people. take all the time you want. especially here on "the ed show." you guys have been complaining about media fairness preponderance let's talk it over. today paul ryan told a radio hos
tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to...
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so let's hear him explain the tax policy. >> the cut in tax rates is lower -- all american tax rates -- >> how much does it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no, no. look, i won't get into a baseline argument with you. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all the math. >> all right. you know what, mitt? you better put paul ryan away somewhere. send him to a sports bar somewhere in ohio. at least he can have a few beers with voters. he's got that going for him. who knows, it might help make inroads with that 9% deficit romney is facing against the president in the latest ohio poll. then again, there may not be enough time to do enough shots with enough intoxicated fans before voting starts in ohio tomorrow. so if his running mate is no use, how about a boost from the other person mitt's proposed to, his wife, ann. surely she can provide the comfort and confidence that mr. romney needs
so let's hear him explain the tax policy. >> the cut in tax rates is lower -- all american tax rates -- >> how much does it cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. the first half, lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no, no. look, i won't get into a baseline argument with you. >> you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go...
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lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh had a hard time getting every point across within the time limit. you're trying to make a case to the people, so you have to make sure your answers connect with people. he got some advice from howard dean. >> the president's got to avoid being irritable. hi's got to roll with the punches. mitt is going to be out there, aggressive. he feet to show a sense of humor and show he's likeable. that's all nonverbal cues. >> folks, these debates, though, they don't have time limits, they allow for a lot of back and forth. it will be interesting to see which candidate enjoys that idea that you do
lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh...
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the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> that was paul ryan on fox news yesterday making the case against math or for time or some combination thereof. these are the moments where i think the romney team has trouble, once you can actually drill down and say, but how does it work? show me the numbers. there is no answer. >> right. paul ryan thinks he can use this kind of policy wonk construction that he's been able to create to evade policy discussions. h
the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can --...
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>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on that. it's no wonder the romney campaign is struggling with this entire message. but when all else fails, what you got to do is blame the media. >> carrying water for barack obama? >> it kind of goes without saying that there's definitely a media bias. >> where have you seen it in this campaign where you feel they are judging you by one standard and obama by another? >> i'm not going into fit for tat. there's a media bias. and anybody with objectivity would believe that. >> blaming the media is the latest talking point for paul ryan. at a fundraiser, ryan told supporters the campaign needs their help to fight
>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on...